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Repeat 100 times: ‘I must not think for myself’

I’m angry.  I’m just so bloody angry.  Let me explain:

Recently, #1, The Mad Professor, came home with a face like thunder.  He’d been given a detention, he said.  Now, firstly, this is unheard of.  As far as I remember he’s never been in trouble at school.  He’s an achiever, more motivated in his schoolwork that I or his father ever were.  He has endless potential.  And I’m not just saying that as his very proud mother.  Since moving back to England he’s had to contend with learning a whole new system, moving from Irish Junior Certificate to English GCSEs.  He’s had tons of coursework to catch up on, and he’s never once moaned or complained, he’s just cracked on.  The teachers have been brilliant, helping him after school and during lunchtime to work on the stuff he’s missed.  He’s often to be found reading text books late into the night, if I don’t stop him.

So, as you can imagine, the detention was a shock.

Apparently, although the school didn’t bother to inform us, there was some kind of school maths challenge, where schools across the country enter their best pupils.  All good, you’d think.  But when do the geniuses schedule this inter-school p*ssing contest?

During the school day.

Worse than that, it was across two of #1′s GCSE  lessons, in particular a French lesson where he was working on a very hard piece of coursework, which had, incidentally kept us up rather late the night before.

So I’m proud to say, my teenager made a choice.  He chose his coursework.  He duly attended his lessons, told his teacher what he’d decided, and worked hard.  He then attended this next lesson as nomal.  He was then confronted by a maths teacher asking why he didn’t attend the maths challenge.  He explained that he was worried about his coursework and had decided to attend his normal lessons.  He also told said teacher that he’d informed his GCSE lesson teachers of his decision.  He was then given a detention and told that the school ‘cannot condone children making their own decisions’.

WTF?

So the school would rather they were allowed to ‘pimp out’ my clever child in a maths competition, rather than let him get on with his work?  What’s wrong with common sense? By all means allow children to enter competitions, I’m all for it, but schedule them at the end of the school day, or send a letter home informing parents and allowing them to decide, with their kids, whether they want to attend.  Furthermore, I wonder if there’s some kind of ‘league table’ or ‘winners board’ in all this that’s motivating them?

I was furious.  What’s more, a quite civilised email conversation about it with his maths teacher where I explained our position was ended abruptly, and next thing we knew, we received a letter from the head insisting the #1 do the detention to ‘draw a line under the matter’.

Well, we chatted to #1 about it, and assured him that we would support him 100% whichever way he wanted to go.  At the end of this, it was decided that for the sake of his classwork (and for the sake of the 4 or 5 of his compadrés that also decided not to do the challenge and had already accepted the detention), he would attend, and get it over and done with.

And does it end there?  Sadly not.

At the end of the detention, the Head of Maths decided that she’d take the boys to one side and spend ten minutes having a high pitched rant at them.  One particular peach was a jibe about:  ’how much trouble you’ve caused the school’ (what? YOU caused the trouble with your crap timetabling) and, more seriously was the threat: ‘if you want to take maths at A level, you’d better stay on the right side of me’.

Er, pardon?  Now I’m sorry, but by the time a pupil is nearly 15 shouldn’t he be treated more like an adult, and in return be expected to act like one?  I appreciate if children ‘bunk off’ left, right and centre, or misbehave, they deserve punishment, but present a child with an impossible situation and then punish him for choosing his GCSEs?  And worse, shout in his face, insinuating, whilst screeching at him in a hormonal manner, that you could make or break his school career?  I never, ever shout in my child’s face.  And I certainly don’t expect his teachers to either.

What is it with schools?  Why take a perfectly good student and pursue a matter so far and so aggressively that you risk alienating him, turning him against the school, and almost encouraging him to rebel?

This, believe me, is not the end.

* * * * * * * U P D A T E * * * * * * *

And it wasn’t the end.  After firing off a ‘Mrs Angry’ email to the head, I got a call this morning from #1′s maths teacher (also Ms Hormonal’s line manager), apologising for her actions, and assuring me that she will be told in no uncertain terms that she was out of order for both her manner and her words.  I was told that it will be dealt with by him and the head, but if I wish to take it further I need to put a formal complaint in writing.  He said that he had to take some of the blame also, for the fiasco.  Now what?

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80 Responses to “Repeat 100 times: ‘I must not think for myself’”

  1. TheMadHouse says:

    Oh my I would be spitting fire too. I wait to see what happens next

  2. Scrummycupcake says:

    Go in and go nuclear meltdown :)

  3. Hails says:

    Wow. I’m furious too, just reading that! He sounds like such a hardworking, sensible boy – and being punished for *not* taking an easy way out of lessons for the day?!! I laughed out loud, in disbelief, at ‘cannot condone children making their own decisions’. That is incredible. I honestly think that at my school, we would have been praised for doing what your son did. And I’m not sure how many of the kids would actually have done it, either! I hope you get them to see the error of their ways…

  4. sue_bailey says:

    I would be furious! I think #1 will have to do detention along with others but definitely take it further. I think you hit the nail on the head with the word ‘hormonal’ maths teacher. Good luck!

  5. Peabee72 says:

    OMG!!! I’m boiling on your behalf… How Dare They?! Ridiculous, arbritary behaviour and they deserve to be well and truly pulled up on it. What about the other children and parents involved?

    I always used to err on the side of the school, assume that little oddities that got repeated were my child’s misinterpretation of a situation. I don’t do that anymore…my children need to know that I’m on their side, that I’ll take them seriously, and that I’ll fight their corner when needs be and if that means that occasionally the lioness has to roar…then so be it! Let us know how you go

    xx

    • English Mum says:

      I think that’s true. It’s the ‘traditional’ thing to the the line and 100% support the school, but you’re right, in situations where there is clear fault, I HAVE to support my child x

  6. I must say, I’m disgusted by this! Who knew that competitions to make a school look good were compulsory to the most able students and more important than good exam results? Clearly the head of maths is putting their career first and not considering the effect on the children whose natural ability at the subject will make them look good. If I were you I wouldn’t leave this at a juicily worded email but demand an interview with the head and the head of maths.

  7. Get into that school and run amuck mrs! That is completely unacceptable behaviour on every level!

    Well done #1 for doing what you want to to!

  8. JFB57 says:

    Sharing your rage (& that is from a retired head). Goodness these folk give education such a bad name! You will let us know what happens won’t you!

  9. Susie says:

    I can’t believe how stupid and narrow minded some educators can be. It is obviously all about them and their own power and success than about the children.

    For crying out loud-if I was you, the teachers and head would be so afraid of me right now.

    Hmmmm-what about speaking to a journalist in your area. Am quite sure the school would love THAT publicity! *evil laugh*

    • English Mum says:

      Haha Susie, you have an evil mind. I did think about that initially, but #1 son said he’d pack his bags and start walking to Russia if I even tried it. Picky.

  10. This sounds all wrong to me. Firstly unless he was actually breaking a school rule/defying a teacher then they have no right to give him a detention. Secondly, the absurdity of saying a child cannot make their own decisions would have me seriously questioning whether that school was the right environment for a child. Thirdly, to give a child a detention AND rant at him for 10 minutes sounds is completely out of order. Take it to the governors if necessary.

    • English Mum says:

      I’m so glad you agree, Liz. I’m not one of those ‘my child is perfect’ Mums that backs them to the hilt no matter what, but equally they need to know that Mum and Dad are on their side x

  11. carolinesweetie says:

    This is a no-brainer. Your son was right, the school is wrong, way off the deep end. The school owes you and your son an apology and the other boys also.

  12. Wee Jen says:

    That is outrageous! Honest to god, they’re focusing on their own glory, not thinking about the kids and what’s best for them. ‘Better stay on the right side of me’ – that’s classed as bullying in the workplace (with witnesses) and you’d have the right to object formally if that were my office.

    Had a bit of this attitude at my old school. They were obsessed with the stats that made them look good at the expense of the pupils. That school folded a few years back.

    • English Mum says:

      That’s exactly what my Dad said, Jen: just pure and utter bullying. It’s all bloody stats. Hope I’m not putting you off parenthood. Oh, too late…!

  13. fantasticpru says:

    Glad the school got back quickly. I can see your dilemma in taking it further now. Think if it was me I would take your lead from #1. See how he feels about it later and whether he feels the matter is over. He sounds sensible enough that he would be honest with you.

  14. Oh brother this doesn’t instil me with much hope for the future of my children’s schooling. Hopefully it’s a one off incident but it seems to me that one person was allowed to let their personal agenda get in the way of everything else.
    Thank goodness there are parents like you who will stand up for what’s right.

  15. Rhiannon says:

    I remember similar pressure to do the Maths Challenge when I was in your son’s position (7 years ago). I was told that if I didn’t participate I would find it difficult to do the maths a level. Needless to say it was a big fat waste of time and I had absolutely no trouble with my a level. I can only assume it’s got something to do with league tables.

  16. Re the “what now”, if it was me, I’d put in a complaint in writing. This means that it will be looked into and any action taken will be recorded so that if the Maths teacher goes off on another “rant” and another parent complains it will be seen that this was not a one-off. For all you know, it could have happened before but no-one took steps to record it officially. Apologies are all well and good but when these people are caring and nurturing your children five days a week then I think you have a right to say how they are treated, especially when the school will insist on good mannered behaviour from the children towards the teacher(s).

    I’ve had “issues” with a teacher myself at son #1′s school – much much more serious than this – and it was very professionally sorted out and I’m pleased with the outcome. However, I would not be a high school teacher for all the tea in China. I don’t care how fantastic the personal rewards are, the daily contact with hormonal teenagers must be like walking a tightrope every single day of your working life!!!

  17. Scrummycupcake says:

    Complain in writing and copy in ofsted :)

  18. Alybean says:

    Diabolical behaviour from the school.Gives mixed messages to your son and his peers.Have any other parents complained? Maybe a threat that your going to local news paper?

  19. Yeah that is a real shocker! What is up with that Math’s teacher that she should speak to the children like that. No matter what the circumstances to threaten them with “don’t get on my bad side or you won’t do A’level” is not acceptable. The school doesn’t have the right do decide what options your child takes anyway so the threat has no weight to it. I would demand an apology from her either in writing or face to face. She should not be able to get away with that hormones or not!
    I always believe you have to be the biggest advocate for your child in the school system private or state. It’s not being pushy it’s just being sensible.
    Well done for have the courage to take a stand.

  20. MissSearles says:

    Unfortunatly teachers seem to be more and more bothered about whats right for the school over the pupils, I decided I didnt want to go to university in my first year of 6th Form and becasue of that my form tutor and head of year pretty much ignored me for the next 2 years. It made 6th form very difficult for me and I didn’t work as hard as I should of as there wasnt the support there for pupils that wanted to go to work rather than higher eduction.
    My school was very much about the prestige of doing well and if you did do well it got recognised but if you turned down certain ‘oppourtunities’ some staff would make it known they weren’t on your side.
    Ahh the joys of school :-s
    MissSearles x

    • English Mum says:

      That’s just so horribly unfair. School should be about supporting everyone to achieve their potential. But look how marvellous you turned out anyway! :mrgreen:

  21. what complete an utter rubbish!!! who do they think they are??
    I think a look at their policies may be in order.. I think that within those policies u will not find anywhere that a child should b punished for making their own decision nevermind a good decision that ment him completing important course work, course work that relates to his exams… would this maths challenge have marks to his exams?? I dont bloody think so!!

    I have taken my sons school to task on 3 different occassions 2 for my eldest 1 for my youngest!I even involved the head of health for schools.. ha ha that went down like a lead balloon!!! believe me … when u start quoting their own policies in their faces they do not like it! also the word Ofsted also strikes the fear of god in them … especially when u quote the bits about children learning to become independant, making choices and as educaters that is their p###ing job!!!

    They may think they can lord over children, But its about time they realised that most kids have lovin protective intelligent parents.. who will play merry hell if their children are treated unfairly!!!

    Im behind u all the way chick … feel like ringing them myself!!!! makes my blood boil!!!

    xxx

    • English Mum says:

      Harro lovely Sharon! You made it over from Twitter, I see :lol:

      Well done to you for sticking to your guns. Hope you got your probs sorted properly xx

  22. Baino says:

    Right. I’m assuming that your son goes to a ‘respectable’ school that is trying to gain brownie points by ‘winning’ competitions outside the GSCE curriculum. If this is the case it’s unforgivable. Trust me Becs, being a noisy parent is a good thing. The Maths teacher was out of line, the Head is being a wimp. Make the formal complaint. They might think you’re a pain in the arse but if they’re so concerned about their ‘reputation’ they’ll wise up. Frankly, I wouldn’t do it via email. I’d make an appointment with both the Maths teacher and the head and face off. Very hard to be that rude when you’re opposite the mother of your victim. Stick it to them.

    • English Mum says:

      Nail on the head, Baino, that’s exactly what they’re doing. As my Disreputable Dad said, they should be bloody asking our permission for pimping our kids out to up their brownie points, not punishing them for deciding to do the right thing. Grrr.

  23. Bloody idiots. *types with slight aggression*. Complete madness. The school is completely out of order. Your son was in the right and made a sensible choice. I feel angry on your behalf (and his) that he has been punished for it.

    A secondary school teacher ‘barked’ at me the other day. She wanted to know how some of the pupils had got onto the bus before it officially stopped at the school. I shrugged my shoulders and said I didn’t know (big lie), I wasn’t going to grass them up. The bus driver had let them on early. No big deal, he does that every day. She marched the pupils off the bus and then screamed at them, waving arms in the air madly, for a further five minutes. Crazy!

    • English Mum says:

      Bloody hell, Rosie – what is it about these teachers? I mean, they must be on some kind of giant power trip. As I said, I don’t shout in my kids’ faces and certainly won’t allow anyone else to do it!

  24. Mary says:

    You have my sympathy. I know how difficult it is for children to change schools, nay, change countries.
    I had some serious run-ins with my local secondary school in the past. My daughter didn’t toe the line and ended up in trouble, ( she started a petition about the transport of calves to the continent) the farmers didn’t like it, the headmaster took the side of the farmers. I was eventually summoned to the school to talk with him but I refused as the outcome was that he would intimidate me. I was angry.
    My daughter is an achiever.
    All her friends are achievers.
    I heard on the grapevine that the head regretted his behaviour.
    This is a morning rant, I am angry again!

  25. Fran says:

    I have had many similar experiences with my sons over the last 16 years. Both boys were ( still are!) exemplary studants, ‘A’ grade & both Head boy of their schools.
    Luckily the eldest son had staff that were sympathetic to his choices. Supported him well when he complained of incompetant teaching, incorrect facts in lessons & other stances that he took whilst there.
    However, the youngest son suffered at the hands of one particular teacher who delighted in humiliating him despite his being a Performing Arts genius. It was, amazingly enough his Performing Arts teacher who did this. She was forever dragging him out of his core subject for one rehearsal or another. He was the lead role in many of her performances, he was in two choirs for her & ran a choir alone for younger pupils in his lunch time. When he refused in his final year to take time from his personal life to perform at a Church ( which was not part of the curriculum, just a ‘look at my choir, aren’t I wonderful exercise) she took it upon herself to publicly lambast & humiliate him in front of other pupils whilst he was waiting to enter an exam.
    This was the final straw for said mild natured son.
    He went straight to the Head, he left both of her choirs (which caused their collapse as he was so popular) and told the Teacher concerned exactly what he thought of her. He received a dentention and to cut a long story short, refused. I supported this decision fully & had a two month battle on my hands before it was resolved. It did involve threatening the school with the LEA & the Govenors!
    Now my twin girls are almost four, it is the thought of encountering nonsense such as this & all the other issues I have with school that has prompted us to seriously consider home schooling.
    I am not sure my anger could be contained for another 15 years!!
    I wish you luck with your complaints, sometimes it’s like talking to a brick wall and teachers are often under the illusion that they are a law unto themselves…..

  26. Wee Jen says:

    Not put off at all! Just girding myself for what’s ahead!

    Have very distinct memories of similar attitude at both my school and my brother’s school. In my brother’s case, it was all about him not playing on the school rugby team because he had a shoulder injury. He was a good player, a bloody good player – we’re talking potential to go professional. But the coach didn’t believe him about his injusry and basically started bullying him, questioning his sexuality (like that matters!!!) and putting him out on the pitch again and again because all he cared about were the bloody team results – they had a reputation to maintain after all. Honour was at stake. (Note my sarcastic tone of typing.)

    Little bro kept it quiet because he thought he was in the wrong, didn’t want to question authority – who was the teacher after all – as you do at that age…

    End result – it finally came out one time when he was in too much pain to move… My mum, dad and the headmaster had to confront the coach and make him back the eff off. Even then, he swore blind that my little bro was making it up. The headmaster had to point out that he didn’t know many lads more honest than Little Bro.

    And my brother is now stuck with a gippy shoulder for the rest of his life and can’t play rugby again.

    • English Mum says:

      OMG Jen that’s so sad. You see? People just always assume that teachers know best, and they’re just human like the rest of us at the end of the day x

  27. Littlemummy says:

    Equally as outraged as everyonelse. I would call a meeting and tell the teacher in question you expect an apology to your son (as she would expect if your son had been out of order) if he doesn’t get it take it further.

    That’s what I would do (with lots of The Look)

    • English Mum says:

      I channelled The Look a lot, Erica – it did me good! Got the apology, thanks, and it was well worth it, I’d definitely take the school to task again x

  28. That is disgusting! Put the complaint in writing, get a meeting to see the harpy and unleash hell.
    You must be very proud of your son though. Putting his coursework first is seriously impressive!

  29. It’s really coming to something when a school wants to punish a child because they chose to attend lessons!!

    How utterly utterly ridiculous.

    I’m seething for you. It’s just back to front, updide down , twisted crazy.

    His future is far more important than any competition and he did absolutely the right thing. What a conciencious boy you have. He’s a credit to you.

  30. Karen Kirk says:

    Shocking stuff! Put in a formal complaint!

  31. Maxi Cane says:

    Forget formal complaints, go and confront that bitch face to face. A formal complaint won’t be needed after that.

    It is just a pissing contest among the schools and from the sounds of it your son just wants to learn.

    Remind them that this is what schools are there for, and it’s what their job is.

  32. Wow, I’d be fit to be tied too. I remember my teen had to participate in a science fair exhibit that was held during the day. The whole time he was there, he was worrying about all the coursework he would have to catch up on.

    We’re hoping to relocate back to the UK from USA towards the beginning of the summer and truth be told, I’m getting a bit worried about the whole change in schooling system.

    • English Mum says:

      Heya, thanks for your comment. I know, when we came back from Ireland in November I was really worried, but I have to say that now they’re all caught up, and happily integrated. Good luck if you decide to move x

  33. becky says:

    that is not good at all. well done to your lad for standing up for himself

  34. Expat Mum says:

    I have spent all weekend sorting out an academic screw up and am sitting her about to explode at your post. What a bloody nerve! You go in there with guns blazing. Write the letter and get the woman a disciplinary on her file at the very least.
    Before I read down to the end I was thinking that everyone sounds like they’re afraid of her, but they seem to have found their backbone.
    You should be proud of your son – tell him from me!!!

  35. Helen T says:

    Got to love the mess our education system is in (this from wife of teacher). Well done to #1 for making his own decisions. Just think, in 10 years time that will be called initiative and he’ll be promoted for it. I get told often that MGG is very confident, puts forward her ideas and likes to get her own way. And that she should stop. If I get the same in my review at work I’ll be doing the right things.

    I think the suggestion of seeing what #1 wants to do next is a good idea. He’s old enough to have a view, and may just want to draw a line under it. Might be worth sharing some of the other options with him though, like way registering it in writing might be a good idea, not just for him but others around him.

    Jeez, welcome back to the UK system!

    Hx

  36. Emma says:

    Oh I hate the English School system! I’d also be furious but at least your Son sounds sensible. I’m having a problem with my 7 year olds School as she is very middle of the road and as such seems to be completely ignored. Only the very intelligent kids and the naughty ones seem to get any attention!!!!!

  37. audreyhorne says:

    I can’t believe your well-behaved, intelligent and mature boy is being treated this way for the sake of some Maths competition. It is totally bizarre. I really hope that you both get a proper apology and that the teacher concerned is made to question her methods.

    I feel very cross on your behalf.

    • English Mum says:

      Hey Audrey! We were lucky that yes, the Head and the Line Manager were totally with us and we got the apology. Thanks so much for your support! x

  38. ella says:

    What an outrageous situation! I can’t believe stuff like this can be allowed to go on in schools.

    I haven’t really got any words of advice, but I don’t often comment here and I just wanted to say I hope you get it all sorted.

  39. Brighid says:

    Request a meeting with the head and the Math teacher. A face to face is always better than an e-mail or call. Have a formal complaint typed up and request that it be put in the teacher’s file.(I worked in a school district superintendent’s office for quite a few years.)
    Congrats for a super son!

  40. Gillian says:

    If I were #1 I’d be rather proud of my mom. Way to go!

  41. Anthony says:

    I can’t believe the teachers reason for detention!

  42. Working Mum says:

    Have just realised that my Google Reader does not pick up your new posts, so I’ve missed loads. Anyway, since this one is close to my heart I will comment.

    Please don’t tar all schools with the same brush. As a Maths teacher myself, I try to encourage my best pupils to take part in the Intermediate Maths Challenge (and no, there’s no league table stuff involved) and I have to overcome a lot of peer pressure for some to do it (I end up telling those who want to do it, but don’t want to appear ‘geeks’ to tell their mates I made them do it), but I would never,ever make a child take part, nor would I punish any who didn’t. If a child was entered and just didn’t turn up, I may have a word about letting us know they weren’t going to do it out of courtesy, but that’s it.

    Sounds like his teacher is buckling under stress and taking it out on the kids (at times of stress, patience is the first thing that goes), but that is no excuse. Pupils come first, always do, always will.

    I would tell your son that he has learned about the fact that life is not fair and not everyone you encounter in life is reasonable; sometimes you have to accept it and sometimes you do something about it. What you do now is up to you.

    All I would ask is that if you take the trouble to complain about this one, then redress the balance by doing something to show you appreciate the good ones.

    • English Mum says:

      Heya! Thanks for your comment. I know we’ve emailed already about this, but yes, he’s lucky to have enough good teachers to redress the balance(and he’s mad about maths, which always helps) xx

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