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Foie gras? I’ll pass, thanks all the same

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On Sky today, they had a news item about the force feeding of ducks and geese for the foie gras industry  (DON’T click on this link if you’re easily upset) in Hungary and Bulgaria.  The charity Four Paws took sneaky video evidence of this force feeding practice and I have to say, it’s not pleasant viewing.  So yes, different cultures think different things are acceptable.  I wouldn’t think many people in the UK or Ireland would ever think of eating foie gras, but in some places in Europe, like France,  it’s hugely popular.  The charity workers trying to get the undercover film were chased and threatened with axes – someone not particularly happy about being filmed, methinks?

Now I’m not an animal rights campaigner.  I eat beef, and chicken and pork and all that stuff and I know the animals die in order that I can eat them.  However, I don’t want anything to suffer on my behalf, and I do find it incredibly distasteful in this day and age when the public demand much higher levels of animal welfare, that the mighty Tesco feel that it’s acceptable to sell this product in their Hungarian branches, while declaring that they don’t sell it here on ‘welfare grounds’.  

I have heard, by the way, that some foie gras facilities have ‘free range’ geese and ducks, and that they rush over to the ‘force-feeding’ machine at dindins time.  I wouldn’t know, but the crating seems excessively cruel.  I know foie gras is a foodie thing, and is regarded as a delicacy, but being responsible for shutting a bird in a teeny cage and and walloping a great tube down its neck  twice a day in order to make something yummy would put me right off ordering it.  Sorry and all that.  Stupid question, but is there a kinder way to produce it?

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23 Responses to “Foie gras? I’ll pass, thanks all the same”

  1. Baino says:

    It’s not just ducks. The same happens to chickens. I’m careful to buy organic free range eggs or chicken for that reason. Theyre stuffed into cages with no room to move and overfed until the right weight for slaughter. Should be a vegie but . . I just can’t doit Capt’n

  2. Susan says:

    Isn’t it sad? There are illustrations of force-feeding geese in medieval manuscripts even, so we’ve been doing it for a long long time.

    The only way to really know your meat has been humanely treated is, of course, to raise it yourself. We tried that…ugh. When you go to Do the Deed, they run to you with their big eyes that say, ‘YAY! Mummy’s come to feed us!’ and how do you lift an axe to THAT? So, we ended up with lots and lots of pet goats and pet chickens etc. Crap. (Yeah, lots of that too…)

  3. English Mum says:

    Baino: Oh, me too. Half the time round here you can’t even buy bloody free range. I know people criticise it when we go up North (not supporting our economy, blah blah), but at least I can buy decent free range chicken up there. No, I could never be a veggie either. Sad, but true. x

    Susan: Oh lord. I think that’s why Hubby won’t let me have chickens – we’ll end up with hundreds :) I just thought that the poor little buggers can’t even flap their wings. That can’t be right :(

  4. SUSAN B says:

    Goodonya, Susan!! I’ve never figured out the callousness of hand raising any creature and then lopping off it’s head (or worse) for dinner! Must be the experience of just that happening when I was a wee one – my folks had chickens, rabbits and, I think, pigeons. I can only remember one execution of a chicken and I didn’t eat it!! Like Baino I hate the idea of what critters do have to suffer to feed the human race but goose stuffing is over the top! It’s barbaric at best – wish I could evolve into veggies only but haven’t made it yet!

  5. SUSAN B says:

    P.S. EM – what does the rubber ducky get shot with? Those targets must be for some sort of projectile LOL!!

  6. I am a veggie at heart, but in reality, I can’t say no to a bacon sandwich. But, I definitely draw the line at buying and consuming animals that have been treated with such cruelty. Another good example would be veal. Will not eat it, will not Mr. DBM eat it – although I suspect he might if I am not watching.

  7. june in florida says:

    Dont read if your having chicken for dinner!I know some people who worked for Tyson chicken in Nw Arkansas,(Tyson is a major company here in the U.S).Their jobs were to cut the cancers off the chickens before they were packaged.The chickens were also grown to full size in 5 weeks by giving them hormones and steroids.EM you know chicks take a longer than 5 weeks to grow up.I am sure all the other companies are doing the same.Only free range for me.

  8. Got some in France before. Waaaaaaaay too rich, so I can safely say that I wont be bothering with it again. I’m with Hugh Feathery Witteringstoolerboola, it’s morally much more acceptable to eat animals if you take responsibility for how it lived and died first. I don’t mean that you should rear it and kill it yourself (get the pigs and chuks tho) but knowing and choosing produce that was treated well seems right to me. A friend of mine used to source pork from a butcher that was supplied by a free range pig farm. It was referred to as “Happy Pork”.

  9. Jennifer (Bert's No 1 Fan!) says:

    I saw that on the Sky News site yesterday EM – I was horrified. Like the rest of the gang, I love the idea of being a veggie, but I love meat too much, particularly lamb. I just have to turn my head when I see the little lambs bouncing around in the fields!

    Afer seeing the Hugh Fernley-Whathisname programme on the chickens last year I only buy free range eggs and chicken. I was amazed at the difference I have to say, it was plump and pink, not slimy and dull. I know you have to stick to what you can afford (and with the husband being made part time recently I really do understand sticking to your budget) but I’d rather sacrifice something else in the trolley and spend the extra on the free range.

  10. English Mum says:

    Susan: My thoughts exactly. Oh, and I thought they were flowers. Did you think they were bullet wounds? LOL!

    DBM: Funnily enough, veal’s now being pushed by the RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming. Get this from the Indo:

    “Animal-rights groups have been campaigning to get it off the menu for decades, but now, in an abrupt U-turn, they are clamouring for veal to come back to British dining tables.

    The RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) are trying to redeem the meat in the eyes of UK consumers – most of whom now view veal as the ultimate ethical no-no.

    “Veal shouldn’t be a dirty word,” said Rowen West-Henzell, food business manager for CIWF. “There is a process of re-education that needs to occur. British rose veal is something we are happy to endorse.”

    High-welfare veal is known as rose veal, as calves are not fed the restricted, low-iron diet that is needed to produce the traditional white veal meat.

    Veal – which comes from the meat of calves between six and eight months old – is widely eaten in the Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy, but currently has a limited market in the UK.

    “Over the next year we will be promoting the consumption of rose veal as a way of dealing with the problem of wasted bull calves,” said Ms West- Henzell.

    Last year around 260,000 young, male dairy calves were condemned as “waste products” in the UK, as they don’t produce milk and are rarely used for beef due to their low muscle tone. These animals are either shot at birth or exported to the Continent.

    “Eating British veal would be great for our farmers,” said Gwyn Jones, the chairman of the National Farmers’ Union Dairy Board. “No farmers want to export bull calves, but there has to be a market for veal here.”

    Marks & Spencer has this month launched a range of rose-veal steaks, ribs and burgers, with meat provided by bull calves from its existing dairy herd. “

  11. English Mum says:

    June: Ew, really? TV chef here, Hugh Fearnley-whatsisface, has been campaigning for a while, as you know for more humane chicken rearing, and also for it to be a decent price so that farmers are encouraged to take up these practices. 2 chickens for £5 is just disgusting, really. They need to have a proper value.

  12. English Mum says:

    Thrifty: Absolutely. And even though I detest his foul mouth (no pun intended) I think Gordon Ramsey’s done a lot for the cause on his F Word prog, what with rearing the veal calves and having the lambs in his garden. Great TV.

    Jenn: Too right. I was having this conversation with Hubby. ‘Twasn’t too long ago when people would spend a fifth of their income on food. Now we blanch at buying decent food for our families? It isn’t right at all. I’m with the gang too: veggie’s one step too far I’m afraid x

  13. Hmmmm, I am going to have to look into this. I have heard of rose veal, but was not sure what it was. Does this mean that these calves are not kept in the dark in a pen that will not allow them to move? Are we just eating baby cows that have not been cruelly treated and are just going to die anyway?

  14. Isitjustme? says:

    Hands up I have to honestly say that I both eat and enjoy Foie Gras.
    oops!

  15. English Mum says:

    Isit: I’m pretty sure that I’ve had it in restaurants and when we were in France. I LOVE paté of all sorts. But from now on, I’ll stick to chicken liver! x

  16. English Mum says:

    DBM: Yes, from the article it seems like they’re just slaughtered as there’s no market for them. Or – worse – they’re taken abroad where there IS a market. Oh, that vegetarianism is looking better by the day. But… the bacon though…!!

  17. Sandra says:

    Sigh, I love it too!

  18. This brings me back to an old Linda McCartney quote– “if slaughterhouses had windows, we would All be vegetarians. I applaude your effort to minimize cruelty in the world. God gave man dominion over the plants and animals, but he didn’t say we should be jerks about it!.
    peace,
    mTw

  19. English Mum says:

    MTW: Linda McCartney was probably right. However, there’s something SO wrong about a vegetarian sausage. You probably didn’t see it, but Gordon Ramsey did a programme where he reared two lambs in his garden and they showed them going to slaughter and being butchered, and I’m glad to say they didn’t suffer. Still, tough viewing all the same. And it underlines what Thrifty said about being morally responsible for how the meat you eat lives and dies.

  20. Isitjustme? says:

    EM Remind me to give you my recipe for chicken liver paté.Its actually the husbands and comes from his mother and its the BEST you’ll ever taste.

  21. nuttycow says:

    *blush* I have to say, I love foie gras. Rich, gorgeous deliciousness.

    [waits for the abuse]

  22. nil zed says:

    regarding the veal: if you are truly against it, you must give up milk. Veal is a dairy by-product. Milk cows have to have calves to begin giving milk, and have to be re-started regularly. most of the female calves grow up to be milk cows, but the male calves have no use. Beef cattle have been selectively bred to yield more meat, milk cows have been selectively bred to produce females who produce more/better milk. male calves of these breeds don’t produce as good meat/much meat, not to mention that these days the two bovine industries are mostly seperate. Just neuturing all the male calves & raising them for beef isn’t cost effective. Unless they are briefly raised for their veal, they are just slaughtered. Even using them for pet food involves care costs that may not be earned back; so they may just be incinerated like garbage.

    Wasting them like this is more disrepectful than treating them not like pets and eating them.

    As for your question: can foie gras be produced more humanely? Yes. There is a feeding continuum from letting them feed themselves in good pasture/ponds to force feeding them, just as there is a continuum from free-range pasture/ponds to the crating.

    Somewhere along both those continuums can be produced a softer, larger, lighter flavored, liver which is less creamy in texture than foie gras, but more like it than not. The bird itself will be a different quality than a bird reared for its meat & sell at a lower price. (Foie gras birds don’t matter b/c the liver is so profitable.) Sooner or later, the demand and prices for foie gras may make this method profitable. Someone is probably working on breeding a bird with a naturally larger liver which could help the kinder process as well. The definition of foie gras in the EU may have to be changed to accomodate this slightly different product.

  23. English Mum says:

    Sandra: I’m pretty sure I loved it too. Wouldn’t be able to eat it now though :(

    Isit: Ooh yes please! Would you mind if I posted it? x

    Nutty: You’re not alone, don’t worry!! x

    Nil: Welcome! And thanks, that was really interesting. Let’s hope that happens.

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